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Re: SEEING THE FACE OF GOD |
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On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 22:06:57 GMT, Dutch <no@email.com> wrote:
>dh@. wrote:
>> On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 03:26:53 GMT, Dutch <no@email.com> wrote:
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>>> Kerry Ladd wrote:
>>>> Dutch wrote:
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>>>>> dh@. wrote:
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>>>>>> On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 20:51:28 GMT, Dutch <no@email.com> wrote:
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>>>>>>> If god is an all-powerful force then it makes no sense that it
>>>>>>> would only exist in some parts of the universe and not in others.
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>>>>>> To me it makes sense that it would exist in things that
>>>>>> have life, but not necessarily things that don't.
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>>>>> If you drill down to the atomic level all matter is alive.
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>>>> How cosmic!
>>> Quite
>>>
>>>> Dutch claims that lead has life, that bullets think, and that all other
>>>> items made of stuff have the ability to "think."
>>> Notwithstanding that rather obvious strawman,
>>> everything has life,
>>
>> You confirmed the first part of what he said anyway.
>
>The first part was accurate.
>
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>>> all you need to do is look
>>> closely and broaden your definition a little.
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>> You would have to broaden it to include things that
>> we have absolutely no reason to think of as being alive.
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>We do have a reason, we are trying to make some kind
>of sense of the structure of the universe.
Eliminating the distinction between living and non-living
would be a hindrance, not a help.
>>> The static appearance of matter is merely a function
>>> of the limits of our powers of perception.
>>
>> It's truly a wonder that electrons continue to orbit
>> protons and neutrons for billions of years. It's a wonder
>> that they interact with each other as they do, and that
>> electrons and photons interact as they do. There is no
>> reason to think of any of them as being alive. To do
>> that would blur the meaning of life to the point of it
>> becoming meaningLESS, since then there would be
>> no distinction between what is alive and what's not.
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>That's not true,
It is true.
>we are perfectly capable of making
>distinctions between rocks, trees, ants, molluscs,
>mice, gorillas and humans while still recognizing that
>all share a similar molecular structure.
You're still trying to eliminate the distinction. Of
course as always when you attempt such absurdity
the big question arises: Why do you even WANT to?
>A human is
>about 97% the same as a banana at the DNA level.
How close are we to rocks at the DNA level?
>> It
>> would say that dead people are still alive, and not just
>> because there are microorganisms consuming their
>> remains. It would say that they're still alive after all life
>> in their remains has died out, and that dead people
>> are still alive even after cremation.
>
>I understand the significance of organic "life",
We have no reason to think everything that's
organic is alive. We do have reason to think that
some organic things are not alive.
>sentience vs non-sentience, and the significance of
>those factors *to us* but that is another level of the
>discussion. I know that flowers don't feel pain,
We hope they don't.
>but God is in them all the same. I am referring to the
>very underpinnings of reality, of the universe itself,
>nature, God if you like.
God means an intelligent being who had/has
deliberate influence on the development of life.
If you want to pretend that God has no intelligence
then you're trying to change the meaning of "God"
to the opposite of what it means...you're trying to
change it to mean "no God". "LaVeyan" "Satanists"
try to do the same thing with the word "Satan"...trying
to change it to mean "no Satan" and "no God".
>>> Should you care? That depends on you.
>>
>> Having some understanding of the structure
>> of atoms, what the elements are, what valence
>> electrons are, what ions are, what isotopes are,
>> the difference between atoms and molecules,
>> how electrons and photons interact, etc, can give
>> more meaning, understanding, and appreciation of
>> the universe and the things around us. Trying to
>> accept the idea that it's all alive works the other
>> way to distort one's view of reality by eliminating
>> the distinction between what is alive and what's
>> not alive.
>
>My intent was not to eliminate distinctions.
Whether you intended it or not, it would be a
necessary part of accepting or even considering
what you suggested. To believe that everything
is alive necessarily removes the distinction between
what is and what is not, since everything would be.
It seems even you should be able to understand
something that obvious.
>The
>original poster proposed that GOD visited earth in
>certain forms, to which he, the poster assigned Indian
>names. My response is that GOD, if you will, as I
>understand it, doesn't "visit", GOD, *is* the essence
>of ALL being, right down to the particle-string level,
>deeper than any electron microscope can delve, wider
>than the furthest galaxy, and in our very existence, NOW.
If God exists I don't doubt that he is as much in direct
contact with whatever he wants to be as he wants to be.
I also believe he has beings who work with him, and that
he has as much influence on other living beings through
them as he wants to have, and through his own direct
influence when he wants to.
>This has been the message of spiritual teachers that
>has been largely misunderstood.
It may be largely doubted. Even though I believe God
has as much influence on everything as he wants to have
if he exists, I doubt that he has direct influence on every
single event that takes place in the universe all the way
down to the sub-atomic level. I believe he does have such
influence when he wants to, but not that he always wants
to. I also believe that if Satan exists he has such influence
on people's thinking, having learned how to recognise
patterns and manipulate the minds of humans in ways
like influencing the flow of electrons down one path more
than another to encourage things like violence and
substance addictions that people would really rather stay
away from.
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dh@. |
Wed, 27 Aug 2008, 11:01 am |
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