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Re: SEEING THE FACE OF GOD |
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"Dutch" <no@email.com> wrote in message news:mPntk.227465$gc5.53630@pd7urf2no...
> pearl wrote:
> > "Dutch" <no@email.com> wrote in message news:Bn%sk.42424$hx.23632@pd7urf3no...
> >> pearl wrote:
> >>> "Dutch" <no@email.com> wrote in message news:KRKsk.116439$nD.25522@pd7urf1no...
> >>>> pearl wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> You've taken an innocent life.
> >>>> So do you, vile accuser, so do you. And you know it.
> >>> Were that so, it would be with remorse, not joy, vile accuser.
> >> That's unfortunate, because GOD gives its bounty to
> >> all, not to engender sorrow, but joy.
> >
> > Stop engendering sorrow then?!
>
> More vile self-righteousness that you feed on like a
> vampire.
Yet more rabid evasion when faced with the hard truth.
> >>>>> More than just flesh and blood,
> >>>>> a sentient being, - whom you wholly disregard and disrespect,
> >>>> Not at all. I acknowledge and honour their sacrifice,
> >>> "sacrifice", ditch? Hah! You clearly couldn't care less.
> >> I ask that you not speak for me.
> >
> > Your actions speak louder and truer than any words.
>
> Thank you
Why on Earth are you thanking me?
> >>>> unlike you who hides behind cowardly and transparent
> >>>> demands for "credible evidence". See no evil..
> >>> Make outrageous claims; get asked for credible evidence.
> >> Credible claims.
> >
> > Then support them with credible evidence. Rodents, lizards.
>
> There is very little direct record of the numbers or
> the suffering of poisoned birds, drowned mice,
> shredded lizards. No-one of good faith denies it. Your
> addiction to self-righteousness demands that you do.
Thanks for the admission that you make (outrageous) claims
lacking all credible evidence. Why poisoned grasshoppers
(and as a consequence, birds) but not millions upon millions
of "drowned mice and shredded lizards"? As for the rest..
> > Acknowledge that feeding humans directly would free up for
> > wildlife vast areas, - currently grazed and cropped for feed.
>
> Certainly, there would be more wildlife if there were
> less livestock.
And abundant sustenance for wildlife in regenerated habitat..
> > Also acknowledge that we can live in harmony with Nature,
> > without pesticides and herbicides and chemical fertilizers.
>
> Possibly,
It's being done. You've seen exactly how it can be done.
> it's also possible that we might treat the
> animals we farm with respect, even reverence. The fact
> is that neither of those happens to be the reality wrt
> most of what we consume.
Animals regarded as 'end products' will never be respected
as individual living sentient beings. The reality is inevitable.
And as we're not respecting the animals we're supposed to
care for... then what chance for wild critters? It's the same
damnable attitude. It is a true respect and reverance for all
living creatures that will, please God, bring us back on track.
> >>> What happened to that paragraph, ditch? Evil coward.
> >> There are always more paragraphs, they will never have
> >> any meaning until you come to terms with your own
> >> demons instead of projecting them.
> >
> > Evasive projective babble.
>
> Of course you see it that way.
Of course I do, as that's what it is.
> >>>>> violently imposing your will so as to give yourself some 'joy'.
> >>>> As do you with every single act that serves your
> >>>> interests beyond bare survival.
> >>> That's what you're doing, and indeed advocate, not me.
> >> Its what we are all doing. There are no people here
> >> living a life of bare subsistence.
> >
> > You have no idea what others here are doing.
>
> I have an excellent idea. I know for example that YOU
> aren't doing it.
How so? Explain.
> > All other things being equal, you demand killing.
>
> So do you. The difference is that you hide from it, I
> admit it.
I certainly don't demand killing. You admit you do.
> >>>> Et tu, vile accuser, addict to the drug of
> >>>> self-righteousness.
> >>> Righteousness, ditch, something that's totally alien to you.
> >>>
> >>> 'righteousness
> >>> ..
> >>> n
> >>> Definition: goodness
> >>> Antonyms: sinfulness, wickedness
> >>> ..
> >>> It is an attribute that implies that a person's actions are justified,
> >>> and can have the connotation that the person has been "judged"
> >>> or "reckoned" as leading a life that is pleasing to God.
> >>> Righteousness is also used as an attribute for God.
> >>> ..'
> >>> http://www.answers.com/righteousness&r=67
> >> True righteousness is about BEING and DOING according
> >> to ones conscience,
> >
> > Then anything goes - any atrocity can be termed "righteous",
> > since "I was told / it felt / seemed alright at the time" to do it.
>
> If its an atrocity then you already know that it's not
> alright. One thing is for sure, it is not YOUR job to
> define it for me.
As it is perceived by others. Brutalizing others is a morally-
depraved act. It's not tolerated amongst humans, and there
is no valid reason why it should be tolerated in our treatment
of non-human animals. There's a state of collective denial.
> >> not denying one's sins in order to
> >> lord it over others, that is sanctimony.
> >
> > But that's exactly what *you* are doing.
>
> Nonsense, I'm not the one calling people "demon".
Your history here consists wholly of demonizing others.
> > Go back and address
> > the cites you evasively snipped
>
> Get this dearie, once and for all, you don't define
> what is right for me, and you don't get to dictate to
> me that I put in my newsgroups posts. The control over
> others that you seek so desperately will never come,
> and even if it did you would find it to be hollow.
If you want to be seen as an evasive blowhard, carry on..
> > in denial of your sins, and retract
> > your lies and accusations of lying, then admit that your taste for
> > animal fat requires innocent blood be shed, and that it's wrong,
> > that it involves sanctimoniously lording it over other creatures.
>
> That nice cotton shirt on your back came at the cost
> of untold death and suffering of tiny creatures in
> cotton fields, just to cite one example. Closing your
> eyes and screaming for absolute proof of something so
> obvious is just cowardly.
My eyes are open, and I see no evidence to support your claim.
Evasion noted.
> >>>>> And you consider your opinion on spiritual matters of value?
> >>>> Only for those with eyes to see and ears to hear.
> >>> We can all see what you're about, ditch. You're a fraud.
> >> The peace you seek is within, it will not come through
> >> attempts to diminish others.
> >
> > Keep repeating that to yourself, maybe it'll finally get through..
>
> I am at peace, I am trying to help you see how futile
> it is to lash out at others like you do. To realize
> this you need to look at yourself honestly. I don't
> hold out much hope that will happen.
R.I.P ditch.
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pearl |
Thu, 28 Aug 2008, 6:22 am |
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