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Re: SEEING THE FACE OF GOD |
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pearl wrote:
> "Dutch" <no@email.com> wrote in message news:mPntk.227465$gc5.53630@pd7urf2no...
>> pearl wrote:
>>> "Dutch" <no@email.com> wrote in message news:Bn%sk.42424$hx.23632@pd7urf3no...
>>>> pearl wrote:
>>>>> "Dutch" <no@email.com> wrote in message news:KRKsk.116439$nD.25522@pd7urf1no...
>>>>>> pearl wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You've taken an innocent life.
>>>>>> So do you, vile accuser, so do you. And you know it.
>>>>> Were that so, it would be with remorse, not joy, vile accuser.
>>>> That's unfortunate, because GOD gives its bounty to
>>>> all, not to engender sorrow, but joy.
>>> Stop engendering sorrow then?!
>> More vile self-righteousness that you feed on like a
>> vampire.
>
> Yet more rabid evasion when faced with the hard truth.
Your vile self-righteousness is the hard truth about
you, I don't evade it.
>>>>>>> More than just flesh and blood,
>>>>>>> a sentient being, - whom you wholly disregard and disrespect,
>>>>>> Not at all. I acknowledge and honour their sacrifice,
>>>>> "sacrifice", ditch? Hah! You clearly couldn't care less.
>>>> I ask that you not speak for me.
>>> Your actions speak louder and truer than any words.
>> Thank you
>
> Why on Earth are you thanking me?
For making my point.
>
>>>>>> unlike you who hides behind cowardly and transparent
>>>>>> demands for "credible evidence". See no evil..
>>>>> Make outrageous claims; get asked for credible evidence.
>>>> Credible claims.
>>> Then support them with credible evidence. Rodents, lizards.
>> There is very little direct record of the numbers or
>> the suffering of poisoned birds, drowned mice,
>> shredded lizards. No-one of good faith denies it. Your
>> addiction to self-righteousness demands that you do.
>
> Thanks for the admission that you make (outrageous) claims
> lacking all credible evidence. Why poisoned grasshoppers
> (and as a consequence, birds) but not millions upon millions
> of "drowned mice and shredded lizards"? As for the rest..
All credible claims, all true.
>
>>> Acknowledge that feeding humans directly would free up for
>>> wildlife vast areas, - currently grazed and cropped for feed.
>> Certainly, there would be more wildlife if there were
>> less livestock.
>
> And abundant sustenance for wildlife in regenerated habitat..
Nature takes care of itself, it's not always pretty,
populations grow to match whatever resources are
available.
>>> Also acknowledge that we can live in harmony with Nature,
>>> without pesticides and herbicides and chemical fertilizers.
>> Possibly,
>
> It's being done. You've seen exactly how it can be done.
It's being done on a relatively small scale, whether
or not the world can have all the cotton of bananas it
demands without poisons is another question. I hope so.
>
>> it's also possible that we might treat the
>> animals we farm with respect, even reverence. The fact
>> is that neither of those happens to be the reality wrt
>> most of what we consume.
>
> Animals regarded as 'end products' will never be respected
> as individual living sentient beings. The reality is inevitable.
It's no more inevitable than treating the animals in
crop fields as "pests" to be eliminated by the most
efficient means possible.
> And as we're not respecting the animals we're supposed to
> care for... then what chance for wild critters? It's the same
> damnable attitude. It is a true respect and reverance for all
> living creatures that will, please God, bring us back on track.
GOD's creature consume one another, GOD does not have
the same squeamishness about life and death as you.
>
>>>>> What happened to that paragraph, ditch? Evil coward.
>>>> There are always more paragraphs, they will never have
>>>> any meaning until you come to terms with your own
>>>> demons instead of projecting them.
>>> Evasive projective babble.
>> Of course you see it that way.
>
> Of course I do, as that's what it is.
To you, your perceptions are not reality.
>
>>>>>>> violently imposing your will so as to give yourself some 'joy'.
>>>>>> As do you with every single act that serves your
>>>>>> interests beyond bare survival.
>>>>> That's what you're doing, and indeed advocate, not me.
>>>> Its what we are all doing. There are no people here
>>>> living a life of bare subsistence.
>>> You have no idea what others here are doing.
>> I have an excellent idea. I know for example that YOU
>> aren't doing it.
>
> How so? Explain.
Since I am not standing beside you watching everything
you do, the obvious example is you running your mouth
day after day on a home computer, that is not bare
subsistence, it is excess of that. Beyond that I can
say with good confidence that you probably live a
fairly comfortable life, buying imported fruit
sometimes, eating until you are good and full,
subscribe to cable television etc etc.. You have
justified to yourself that your lifestyle is ethical,
despite the reality that children are dying of
starvation and disease as you read this, that your
consumer habits have wrought a path of death,
suffering and injustice. Absurd? No. All our lives are
compromises, and your need to define mine is your
problem, not mine.
>
>>> All other things being equal, you demand killing.
>> So do you. The difference is that you hide from it, I
>> admit it.
>
> I certainly don't demand killing. You admit you do.
You do demand killing, defining consumption with
passive acceptance as demand.
>
>>>>>> Et tu, vile accuser, addict to the drug of
>>>>>> self-righteousness.
>>>>> Righteousness, ditch, something that's totally alien to you.
>>>>>
>>>>> 'righteousness
>>>>> ..
>>>>> n
>>>>> Definition: goodness
>>>>> Antonyms: sinfulness, wickedness
>>>>> ..
>>>>> It is an attribute that implies that a person's actions are justified,
>>>>> and can have the connotation that the person has been "judged"
>>>>> or "reckoned" as leading a life that is pleasing to God.
>>>>> Righteousness is also used as an attribute for God.
>>>>> ..'
>>>>> http://www.answers.com/righteousness&r=67
>>>> True righteousness is about BEING and DOING according
>>>> to ones conscience,
>>> Then anything goes - any atrocity can be termed "righteous",
>>> since "I was told / it felt / seemed alright at the time" to do it.
>> If its an atrocity then you already know that it's not
>> alright. One thing is for sure, it is not YOUR job to
>> define it for me.
>
> As it is perceived by others. Brutalizing others is a morally-
> depraved act. It's not tolerated amongst humans, and there
> is no valid reason why it should be tolerated in our treatment
> of non-human animals. There's a state of collective denial.
That is clear statement of the moral confusion
inherent in AR. The world is chock full of life forms,
we cause them to suffer whether we consume them or not.
>
>>>> not denying one's sins in order to
>>>> lord it over others, that is sanctimony.
>>> But that's exactly what *you* are doing.
>> Nonsense, I'm not the one calling people "demon".
>
> Your history here consists wholly of demonizing others.
No, my only desire here is to relieve people of the
guilt they live with and come here to project on others.
>
>>> Go back and address
>>> the cites you evasively snipped
>> Get this dearie, once and for all, you don't define
>> what is right for me, and you don't get to dictate to
>> me that I put in my newsgroups posts. The control over
>> others that you seek so desperately will never come,
>> and even if it did you would find it to be hollow.
>
> If you want to be seen as an evasive blowhard, carry on..
Just the voice of reason, the voice you can't hear.
>>> in denial of your sins, and retract
>>> your lies and accusations of lying, then admit that your taste for
>>> animal fat requires innocent blood be shed, and that it's wrong,
>>> that it involves sanctimoniously lording it over other creatures.
>> That nice cotton shirt on your back came at the cost
>> of untold death and suffering of tiny creatures in
>> cotton fields, just to cite one example. Closing your
>> eyes and screaming for absolute proof of something so
>> obvious is just cowardly.
>
> My eyes are open, and I see no evidence to support your claim.
Your eyes are open but your mind is closed for business.
>
> Evasion noted.
>
>>>>>>> And you consider your opinion on spiritual matters of value?
>>>>>> Only for those with eyes to see and ears to hear.
>>>>> We can all see what you're about, ditch. You're a fraud.
>>>> The peace you seek is within, it will not come through
>>>> attempts to diminish others.
>>> Keep repeating that to yourself, maybe it'll finally get through..
>> I am at peace, I am trying to help you see how futile
>> it is to lash out at others like you do. To realize
>> this you need to look at yourself honestly. I don't
>> hold out much hope that will happen.
>
> R.I.P ditch.
I am at peace, your anger and loathing towards good
people is the problem.
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Dutch |
Thu, 28 Aug 2008, 2:08 pm |
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