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Kent Paul Dolan |
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Re: MindForth artificial intelligence lives forever. |
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Guy Macon wrote:
> I am sane, yet I also see in the quoted phrase
> "since long before computers with capacities
> capable of doing any such thing were available"
> the clear implication that such computers are
> available now. The word "before" implies an
> "after."
Well, no, since, again, the universe is not binary,
and there is in this case a clear ternary division;
before, during, and after, and infinitely more
divisions more finely spaced than that, time being a
continuous variable.
> In my opinion, your use of insults is a clear sign
> that you don't believe that you can win the
> argument on the basis of evidence or logic.
What argument would that be? Remember the subject of
my original posting in response to yet more flogging
of worthless software by Arthur T. Murray.
Arthur T. Murray is a well documented Usenet
kook, who has been claiming to have "solved
AI" since back when his solution methods
were restricted to pencil and paper.
My objection to Erik Max Francis' idiocy was
precisely that he was attempting to argue by putting
words in his opponent's (my) mouth, not by any basis
of fact.
I use insults to _anyone_ who choses the path of
intellectual dishonesty in discussions where I am a
participant.
Life is too short to try patiently and politely to
educate all the millions of brain dead
idiots-with-keyboards Usenet attracts.
Triage by sending them packing is a much more
effective approach.
Besides, making fun of babbling morons has a long
and gloried history.
Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used
against unintelligible propositions.
-- Thomas Jefferson
As to "can computers do AI now"? Sure they can, as
long as you confine "AI" to what it meant in the
1950s.
Commentators on AI have this "goalpost moving"
habit: if a computer can do it, then it must not be
"intelligent", and therefore not "artificially
intelligent".
Today, and for some time now, we've had knowledge
engineering, neural networks, fuzzy logic, genetic
algorithms, genetic programming, differential
evolutionary algorithms, memetic algorithms,
automated job-shop scheduling, particle swarm
optimization, ant colony optimization, automated
medical assistants interviewing patients and
developing a most likely cause of their complaints,
genome analysis, automated circuitry design, robots
assembling automobiles, computer borne ecologies,
and thousands more hands-off "AI" applications.
Most of these to a researcher in the 1950s would
have seemed miracles, much less "artificially
intelligent".
Even Alan Turing's famous "Turing Test" for AI was
passed as far back (20 years ago?) as the Eliza
program's fooling some of the people with whom it
interacted into believing a human was on the other
end.
Today, however, the goalposts of what it takes to be
"AI" are ever in retreat, and what our progenitors
would have called "AI" is now dismissed as "mere
programming".
Check comp.ai.philosophy to see just how strongly
that case gets argued by those to whom "computer
intelligence" is threatening to their world concept.
Don't stay there long, though, that stuff will rot
your mind.
xanthian.
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